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Rainbow Roxy's avatar

Thanks for writing this, it clarifies a lot. This articulation of coherence and objectivity is incredibly insightful. Do you think our tendency to reject objective truths stems from a fundamental human aversion to disciplin?

God Objectively's avatar

Thank you for your kind words, I’m glad it resonated. I do think our resistance to objective truth often comes down to an aversion to discipline, but more precisely, to dependence. Objectivity demands that we calibrate ourselves to something beyond our will, and that feels restrictive to the ego. We want freedom without reference, which is exactly how coherence begins to decay.

James Stalwart's avatar

The article commits a subtle but serious error by treating coherence as the ultimate standard of truth. Coherence is necessary for truth, but it is not sufficient. An idea may be perfectly coherent within its own framework and still be false if it fails to correspond to reality. Truth is not measured by the harmony of propositions with one another, but by their alignment with the axiom of identity—the recognition that to be is to be something, and that our concepts must accurately describe the natures of the things they denote.

To put it simply: coherence governs the structure of thought; identity governs its content. A dream may be internally coherent, yet remain unreal. Theology and political theory are often coherent systems built on false premises—reified constructs divorced from ontological reality. When coherence is elevated to the supreme criterion of truth, imagination replaces perception as the standard of cognition.

The article is correct that coherence is indispensable to knowledge—without it, contradiction would make thought impossible. But coherence alone cannot tell us whether our premises are true, only whether they agree with one another. What anchors knowledge is the correspondence between concept and existent, between what we think and what is. The law of identity—A is A—is what integrates mind to reality. Coherence without ontological grounding is circular; identity aligns our thought with existence itself.

Thus, truth is not “coherence,” but the coherence of concepts with reality. Once that distinction is lost, any fiction may masquerade as truth so long as it is internally consistent—a danger visible in both theology and ideology alike.

God Objectively's avatar

Hi James, long time. I’ll preemptively note that I will not respond to long winded comments. That said, I’m well aware that coherence without an objective ground is not truth. I’ve written about that elsewhere, though that isn’t the focus of this essay.

Your claim that identity is the ground of truth, rather than objectivity, is a subtle but serious error. Even your example, “A is A,” already depends on the “is”, the act of being, which your framework assumes but never explains. The “is” isn’t contained within A; it’s what allows A to be at all. Coherence emerges from objectivity and makes identity possible, which shows that identity cannot be foundational as you claim.

So while coherence without grounding is circular, identity without objectivity is empty. You describe what things are, but not why they can be anything.

If identity is truly foundational, then answer this:

– What gives “is” its meaning without appealing to coherence or objectivity?

– How can “A is A” hold without a prior order that sustains both A and “is”?

– On what ground does identity exist, if not the objective reality that allows existence to cohere at all?

Until those questions are addressed, the claim that identity is the foundation of truth remains incomplete.